"Mock MOOCS?” [MOOC = Massive Open Online Course] Where do we fit in? TLTGroup's FridayLive! online free tlt.gs/frlv Sept21 2pmET #TLTGfrlv
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Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Welcome!
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:Welcome all!
Mike Dabney:Hello All, Mike Dabney from Shelburne, VT (retired from teaching center at Hawaii Pacific University)
James Stenerson:hi sally
Nan Zingrone:I'm Nan Zingrone, I'm from Atlantic University in Virginia Beach. I'm the Director of Academic & Administrative Affairs (we are a teeny tiny school, so that means I'm the second in charge of a staff of six). :-)
Nan Zingrone:LOL. I understand!
Eric Werth:Hello everyone. I am Eric Werth, Director of eLearning Services- Northwest Nazarene University
Eric Werth:Hi! Glad to be here.
R:I'm Rhonda from Minnesota
R:MSU Moorhead
Cynthia Grether:My mic has been muted
Scott Simkins:Hi Rhonda - I'm originally from New Ulm (MN) and graduate of St. John's Univ. (MN)
Scott Simkins:Twitter hashtag: #TLTGfrlv -- another backchannel for conversation during the webinar in addition to the chat box here
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:Scott- are you going to use a mic today?
carol yeager:Greetings from Carol Yeager of Empire State College/SUNY
Scott Simkins:I've got my headset with mic on and ready to go...
Scott Simkins:I was participating in the pre-webinar prep this morning in this space...
CSI @ UMUC:we are a group!
CSI @ UMUC:watdching together in Maryland
CSI @ UMUC:hahaha!
CSI @ UMUC:yesa!
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:It is muted hardware wise.
Cynthia Grether:I had disconnected it a while ago
James Stenerson:steve you are very low
James Stenerson:yes
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Sounds great.
Ilene Frank:lol
Eugenia McAllister:Greetings from Eugenia McAllister FAculty Librarian @ Augusta Technical College,.
carol yeager:What do others think about these courses?
Lori Duquette:general understanding of MOOCs
R:access to professional development and opportunities for students as well.
Nan Zingrone:more exposure for our core offerings (so a branding, 'taste test' kind of thing)
Devon Mordell:Seeing how colleagues teach online - and learning from the courses!
Eugenia McAllister:I want to gain the stats for ongoing research.
carol yeager:Yes
Towanda:understanding of moocs
Frank Parker:New alternative for faculty development learning
dorinda.sorvig@northlandcollege.edu:Understand what is possible with MOOCs
Robin Sullivan - UB:What are common guidelines that classify a course as a MOOC?
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:To share and interact with others concerning the best practices in online teaching and dsigning learning activities.
Nan Zingrone:I'm talking about what we want from using MOOCs
Akesha Horton:learn more about the best practices in delivering Moocs
Mike Dabney:I am a lurker/observer; no knowledge of BOOCs. So my goal is to leave with some new knowledge
James Stenerson:why are mooc's so popular...what are their purpose in society
Ilene Frank:I hope big online open courses will provide open education for MORE people!
Mingsheng Dai:Know more about MOOCs.
carol yeager:I have both been a participant and also have designed and offered one
Ann G Pearlman:how to share information in this format
Qi Dunsworth:impact on not-so-big-players in elearning
carol yeager:and am developing another now
carol yeager:I cherish lifelong learning opportunities
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:interaction and sense of community
Towanda:engagement
James Stenerson:one-on-one relationship with student/faculty
Eugenia McAllister:Learning for diverse users
Nan Zingrone:we don't want to lose our sense of community, but I've been in MOOCs where community was very cleverly faciliated
Scott Simkins:Carol - I look forward to learning from you about your experience TEACHING in a MOOC
carol yeager:Do not want to lose connecting with a broad grup of people
Ilene Frank:I'm a fan of online courses - I hope that big open online courses are well-done so that people don't lose faith in online courses
Lori Duquette:interactivity in online course
bernard smith:How to make sense of what is being learned where the content is so decentralized
Akesha Horton:(in the context of moocs) quality; ability to develop community
jjulius@miracosta.edu:Want to see a distinction among different MOOC models and not lump all MOOCs into one pile ...
Roxanne Pickle:I like to hear from others but I also don't want to lose any "local" flavor
Qi Dunsworth:cherish free resource, don't want to lose quality, or replace meaningful learning experiences with big brand names
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Interaction between students, students and facilitator, and interaction between students and the content.
carol yeager:yes, julius
bernard smith:Hi carol, yeager -
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:I agree Julius!
jjulius@miracosta.edu:So that MOOCs that emphasize interaction and personal learning are not tossed out in the bathwater of the massive "listen to a lecture and take a quiz" MOOCs
Ilene Frank:P.S. I teach online courses for UMUC but I'm not in Maryland! <griP.S. I teach online courses for UMUC but I'm not in Maryland! <grin>
carol yeager:Hi Bernard!
Devon Mordell:Much agreed @jjulius!
Scott Simkins:I love the picture on the left
Susan Ariew:Hi all! I'm logging in from the University of South Florida libraries
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:Excellent points. No one size fits all.
Ilene Frank:Susan, hi!
bernard smith:some might not be "courses"...
carol yeager:Hello Ilene
Beth Dailey:Hello Steve
Scott Simkins:Previous picture - Jump in with a sense of adventure...all in.
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:Hi everyone from UNC Greensboro
Mike Dabney:Jim Julius, hello. Hope things are going well for you, I am now in Vermont.
Ilene Frank:Hey, Carol! Glad to see you here!
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Yes, you sound great.
Susan Ariew:Hi Ilene!
jjulius@miracosta.edu:Hi, Mike - hope your cross-country odyssey was great
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Great group today!
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Scott Simkins:If you hear something interesting, tweet it out to the world... #TLTGfrlv
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:If you have ANY audio difficulty, pls try the audio wizard first!
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Sadly/happily , David McCurry is not with us today, but Beth Dailey is!
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:My oversight!
Scott Simkins:Hi Jane@uncg: always amuses me to be on a webinar with my colleagues a couple of miles away...
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:LOTS of Canadians today! wonderful
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Scott & Beth agreed to be VoCs today!
Richard LeBlanc:I am joining in from Seattle University
Scott Simkins:Hi Julie Adams - great friend of mine lives in Bemidji; we're in the area each summer (Park Rapids); originally from New Ulm
Linda Joffe:Greetings from Fort Lauderdale, FL!
John Munro:and from St. Croix, Virgin Islands
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:I am here.
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Hi John, great location.
Heather M. Ross:Hello from Saskatoon, Canada.
Linda Joffe:Hi, Kyle! I'm Excelsior, too!
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:Me too Linda - Excelsior Nursing Grad Program
David McCurry, TLT Group:Here (no mic) at my new job as Director of Distance Learning at Converse College in SC.
Ilene Frank:Hi David!!
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Hi Linda, I remember you. How are you?
Linda Joffe:Maybe we can give the Canadians are run for their money! ;-)
Linda Joffe:I remember you too, Kyle. I'm great. Had a nice chat with David Seelow this morning.
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Super.
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:David is a pal of mine - so much to learn from him
David McCurry, TLT Group:Hi Ilene.
Heather M. Ross:Administrators also here buzz words are sometimes easily convinced that the new thing is the cure-all.
Scott Simkins:Those that are the developers of MOOCS are NOT primarily motivated by cost reduction, they are interested in providing free (or close to free) access to high quality academic experiences to anyone...
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:I second that Heather.
jane marcus:You covered it well -- proceed!
Heather M. Ross:And they do this without understanding what the thing is or where the buzz is coming from.
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:Participatns do not have mic rights
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:Ok will do!
Ilene Frank:Scott, yeah! Administrators... whatever ! More interested in helping learners have more options!
Scott Simkins:MOOCS, I would argue, are a very different thing than typical online education...
David McCurry, TLT Group:Chronicle of HE's cover story is about MOOCs drawing the interest of publishers to sell to larger numbers: http://chronicle.com/article/Can-MOOCs-Help-Sell/134446/
Heather M. Ross:Scott, I would argue that they're eiter not always interested in "high quality" or they don't know what that looks like.
jjulius@miracosta.edu:@Scott I hope you are true but as publishers and other for-profit para-education outfits get into the game, the question of whose interests are being served magnify
jjulius@miracosta.edu:* hope you are right
Penny Kuckkahn, Nicolet College:David I read the article this morning.
Scott Simkins:The first movers (Ng, Thrun, etc.) are interested in improving student learning in new ways...
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:Should MOOCS have more than one educator?
Qi Dunsworth:Do you think MOOC is only affordable by the big players? They have the name, they have the money
jjulius@miracosta.edu:Question is whether heart in the right place and being part of a big moneyed institution is sufficient
jjulius@miracosta.edu:Many of the first Coursera/edX MOOCs seem like old wine in new wineskins ...
Ilene Frank:Here's the name of it Instructional Ideas and Technology Tools for Online Success
Scott Simkins:Not worried about MOOCS "taking over" and putting faculty members out of jobs... UNLESS the latter simply provide content. High quality content is increasingly free and accessible. My interest as a faculty developer is in asking the question: "So, what are you doing in your classrooms that adds value beyond what a MOOC could do?" I mean this in a positive way, actually. For those that are doing effective things, they will continue to flourish.
carol yeager:Agreed JJUlius .. ols skins and cold wine
Heather M. Ross:@Qi Dunsworth I think that's where groups like Coursera come in. Smaller institutions can get in, but how do they benefit in short / long term.
Ilene Frank:It was run by Curtis Bonk
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:I took Bonks MOOC course - amazing!
jjulius@miracosta.edu:@Scott exactly. Good thing about this is to help faculty reexamine what they do and how they are different from content providers
Scott Simkins:The social aspect of the MOOCS is a key differentiator.
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:I've tried to make into presenters each of you who has been helping to plan/lead this session... let me know if i missed you!
Susan Ariew:What was the subject/content and how was it delivered?
Frank Parker:Scoop: http://www.scoop.it/t/moocs-and-open-educational-resources
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:I was in that same MOOC and Beth is right. There is was a major flood of information and you could find your own path or you could get caught up in just too many channels of information.
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:https://www.coursesites.com/webapps/Bb-sites-course-creation-BBLEARN/courseHomepage.htmlx?course_id=_215194_1
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Instructional Ideas and Technology Tools for Online SuccessFree, Open Course With Dr. Curt Bonk: The live course had ended, but please enjoy the course at your own pace!Description: Motivating students and creating community within blended and online learning environments are crucial to academic achievement and success. This open course will provide both theoretical concepts and practical tools for instructors to improve motivation, retention, and engagement within blended and online courses.
Heather M. Ross:I'm a strong advocate for online learning, making use of online resources, connecting learners, but what would the response be if our traditional online courses at dropout rates of more than 75%?
Scott Simkins:Kyle Songer - this has been my experience as well... it can be overwhelming...
jjulius@miracosta.edu:I didn't really like the Bonk MOOC because I didn't feel the Blackboard tools scaled well to make the participant-participant interaction work well, and they didn't do a good job of linking out to outside-of-Bb blogs etc. Not to take anything away from the quality of Bonk as a presenter.
Susan Ariew:How many people were involved?
Scott Simkins:Deep participation in a MOOC is a pretty immersive experience... frenetic, yes... it's just a different kind of learning
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Penny - wants/wanted to learn how to connect via social media
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:I find the overwhelmingness is a necessary reality. Picking specific channels or taking them one at a time (managing and filtering) is the trick as Penny is saying right now.
Ilene Frank:Jjulius, I agree! Blackboard isn't fabulous
Scott Simkins:Making a good point... You can participate in a MOOC for many different reasons, as Nancy is pointing out.
Eric Werth:One thing I would like to know from those who took the course is how the MOOC felt different than a digital correspondence course. Was there a lot of student-content and student-student interaction and if so was this effective?
Ilene Frank:Great point!! You can have your own personal goals!! And you are encouraged to do that .
carol yeager: I think MOCS take some time and flexibility to become comfortable with the learning style
Scott Simkins:Great point - having an idea of what you want to achieve up front is a good idea, unless you just want to dip in and out and just "experience" the MOOC
Frank Parker:cMOOC: http://www.scoop.it/search?q=cMOOCs&x=15&y=20
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:The web is a flood of information as well so that is what I mean by necessary.
Heather M. Ross:@Scott true. There are many different purposes, but what is it about them that has so few people sticking with it?
Ilene Frank:Here's some info about the Bonk MOOC from Dr Bonk: http://travelinedman.blogspot.com/2012/06/unabridged-interview-on-mooc-for.html
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:What are the skills that are required for successful participation? Howard Rheingold in NetSmart describes them. This leads me to wonder what level is the potential audience for an experience like this?
Penny Kuckkahn, Nicolet College:I agree Carol. You need to figure out how to learn and connect in the style of MOOCs. Very different than a traditional online course.
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:@Scott sorry, my past few comments were to the generally public but in response to your text.
Scott Simkins:@heather: I think people just want to see how it all works, like all of us here. There are only a small percentage that are pursuing things for a certificate, grade, etc. But THAT group can carve their own path through a MOOC using social media tools.
Frank Parker:xMOOC: http://www.scoop.it/search?q=xMOOC&x=13&y=17
jjulius@miracosta.edu:I have found most MOOCs lacking in helping students understand the objectives of the MOOCs' designers, and helping students to select appropriate learning processes and tools to mesh student interests with the designers' goals
carol yeager:Did anyone here participate in MOOCMOOC?
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Helpful in Bonk MOOC - continuing contact from leaders AFTER scheduled end
Scott Simkins:@janeharris: Interesting point - what does it mean to have "successful participation"? It depends on the individual - that's both the beauty and the challenge of MOOCs
Ilene Frank:Carol, yes we have some moocmooc participants here!
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Kyle - recommends KEEP info from the MOOC
Penny Kuckkahn, Nicolet College:I did the same thing as Kyle since I knew I would want the resources at a later date.
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:IF: Online learning is always an emotional journey!
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:IF: Advice - "get out of it what you can"
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:No doubt Steve!
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:IF: find some congenial/compatible colleagues
carol yeager:I recognize names, just not sure from which moocs
Carolyn Gibbs:I am currently particpating in a MOOC (halway done). Its very directed but offers opportunities for beginner and more advanced learners
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:I kept all the resources too.
jjulius@miracosta.edu:@Steve and is "get out of i what you can" an idea that works for most college students and current credentialing processes?
Ilene Frank:Carol, some of us were probably in lotsa MOOCs
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:@Scott - so we aren't considering MOOCs for younger, less prepared undergrads?
jjulius@miracosta.edu:@Carolyn which MOOC?
carol yeager::)
Heather M. Ross:@scott, but how much of an investment should institutions made to MOOCs when that group is so small? Unless they see it as promoting their institution with possible future revenues.
Scott Simkins:@janeharris - it would be challenging for a new undergrad, I think.
Carolyn Gibbs:on Coursera... Gamification. I am interested in the topic for course transformation purposes
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Penny: ongoing now U. of Del Socail Media grad level - for "real" local students + open to anyone/everyone else = OOC?
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:@Scott- so the goal is to improve t&l for what audience?
Devon Mordell:@Carolyn Gibbs - I'm in the gamification course too!
carol yeager:My personal preference is for the connectivist moocs rather than the content driven moocs
Carolyn Gibbs:what do you think Devon?
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:@Carol - agree!
Devon Mordell:I'm really enjoying it! You?
Carolyn Gibbs:very much!
Heather M. Ross:I like the model that Alec Couros has done at the University of Regina. All resources, assignments, readings, videos availableto public, but discussions are limited to those students actually registered with the U or R for credit.
Devon Mordell:It is very content driven, but I'm learning so much
jjulius@miracosta.edu:@Carolyn good to hear. Most of the Coursera stuff I've looked at or heard about from others has not been impressive in terms of clear objectives or even a sense of purpose to the course
Carolyn Gibbs:But I would have changed the teaching pattern up a bit... provide a bit more variety
Scott Simkins:@heather - using a MOOC as a tool for driving interest to the institution is fine with me. We have a faculty member who has a great hip-hop course that I would love to see offered as an OOC, massive or not. If some people got interested in taking more courses (perhaps for a fee) at the institution, no worries from me. This is the way much of the "free" material online is provided - some free content with additional content for a fee (but there's lots of FREE material).
carol yeager:I have done a Coursera and Udacity and was not happy with the "packaged" programs
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Helpful to notice before/during : "content driven" vs. "connectivist" MOOCs or nonMOOCs
Devon Mordell:I find it so helpful to see what is possible in a MOOC - although I find most of the coursera courses have the same format
Ilene Frank:Heather, Couros' open course is much like the one at U of Delaware, right?
bernard smith:I think what makes it "massive" is not the number of participants but the range of possible discussions and directions that any one participant can go in ... so what is the role of the instructor?
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:WICHE Cooperative for Educational Technologies (WCET)
Carolyn Gibbs:Scott...yes... I have generally found that instructors are not very creative when it comes to online course delivery
Scott Simkins:@bernard: I think the two are related - number of participants and number of possible connections
Nan Zingrone:one of the MOOCs I was in was built on Moodle, and other one on Gamification run by Kae Novak was run shivtr, a gaming site; you don't need expensive software to run one of these things
carol yeager:Bernard, I htink that is one of the meanings, and for me .. probably the best definition
Heather M. Ross:@Ilene sounds like it.
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:BS: Like explication of "massive" as BOTH # of partcipants and variety of paths offered, variety of resources
Nan Zingrone:the gamification one I was in had a badging system
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:what is "gamification?"
Carolyn Gibbs:Devon....lets keep in touch regarding course?
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:KS: role of "badges" - explitcit external affirmation gamification
Scott Simkins:Courses as games... or learning as games
Devon Mordell:I'm embarrassed to admit that I don't participate very much - find it daunting to connect with thousands of other students in course...
bernard smith:but the massiveness then makes it feel sooo chaotic (at least for me)
Nan Zingrone:the use of gaming technologies, and already out there virtual worlds with game structure like World of War Craft, or open resident created virtual worlds like Second Life
Devon Mordell:That sounds, great Carolyn!
Ilene Frank:"amification is the use of game design elements, game thinking and game mechanics to enhance non-game contexts."
jjulius@miracosta.edu:Don't think it's courses as games as much of designing learning environments/experiences with principles of gaming in mind
Devon Mordell:Now I've found a connection with someone else in the course :-)
bernard smith:It feels like you are in the middle of a million conversations..
Susan Ariew:I'm wondering if gamers would like this or hate it
Nan Zingrone:Jane mcgonigall on youtube/Ted talks is the reigning expert on gamification
Nan Zingrone:at least face of gamification for K-20 teachers
Qi Dunsworth:Good MOOC’s, Bad MOOC’s - http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/good-moocs-bad-moocs/50361?cid=wc&utm_source=wc&utm_medium=en
carol yeager:@bernard ... filter and focus are two helpful activities to find some waymaking
Frank Parker:xMOOCs vs cMOOCs
Nan Zingrone:you can meld those three approaches in one online course though, the PD courses on www.integrating-technology.org does this, Dr Nellie Deustch
carol yeager:Thank you, Frank .. that seems to be the delineation these days
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Jjulius you are right it is...designing learning environments/experiences with principles of gaming in mind
bernard smith:@carol, but it takes a great deal of effort to track some folk only to find out that they are all blabber ...
Ilene Frank:xMOOCs - Coursera, Udacity, xED (Harvard, MIT, etc) - lke a course.
carol yeager:Yes, choices are excellent
Scott Simkins:Go ahead beth
jjulius@miracosta.edu:Unfortunately the MOOCs drawing all the attention are content-based MOOCs that to me just replicate a teaching approach that we hoped online education would help us get away from ... listen to a lecture, take a test.
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Full copy of this transcript will be avail very soon via http://tlt.gs/blog
Ilene Frank:jjulius, I agree! Some of the courses that are now online seem to be just thrown up there !
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Sometimes you do not even realise you are in a MOOC such as with the Khan Academy.
bernard smith:but content based MOOCs are poor in terms of being able to monitor and help people having difficulty understanding..
carol yeager:true, bernard
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:how come, Kyle?
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:BD: How manage being "in the middle of" many simultaneous conversations? Why do [relatively?] few stick with it?
Devon Mordell:@jjulius - I agree that it's frustrating to see this replication of a somewhat staid pedagogy, but the content based MOOCs work for me in certain contexts
Beth Dailey:Raise your hand if you would like to talk
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:SS: Using social media for CONNECTIVITY in/during/around participation within a MOOC... often form subgroups... HOW, WHY?
Devon Mordell:It would just be nice to see a variation on that theme as well...
carol yeager:In addition to the social media, learing new connective venues are also a plus in the moocs
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Hi Devon, I agree, but I think the best designed MOOCs are a combination of content and connectivist.
Devon Mordell:Well put, Kyle - thanks for the right words!
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:SS: pace, complexity of particpation in "real" MOOCs is DAUNTING! over several weeks
Nan Zingrone:I agree Kyle on the point that the best ones are a combo
Ilene Frank:Yes! Try to keep up when you are doing the rest of your life. ;)
carol yeager:Shameless plug for one coming up in October:http://math.cdlprojects.com/index.html
Heather M. Ross:In small face-to-face and online courses a good instructor helps bring out those students in sit in the corner and not talk for a variety of reason (some times because something is wrong). I worry about that missing in a MOOC.
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:SS: How does/should/can one make ones way "through" a MOOC?
carol yeager:It is both connectivist and content laden
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:@Sally, because the Khan Academy is an app on my iPad and I looked at a few videos but there was little to no interaction between partipants.
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:ah I see
Nan Zingrone:Nellie Deutsch's large courses rely on a phalanx of volunteer facilitators who help cluster/keep the smaller groups that emerge in touch with each other
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:PLS DO NOT CHANGE THE SLIDES
Heather M. Ross:Granted, that when you have a good instructor in those courses anyway.
John Munro:observation: we seem to be (m)ooc-like in this session -- maybe numbers (>50 is critical mass?) or maybe enough mooc-experienced folks bringing that mode to us
Lori Power:How does one find MOOCs, and how do we know if they are any good?
Dale Parker:I use Khan in my math class there is no connection between participants but it is very useful
Ilene Frank:I think Steve's going to share the Google Doc we've worked on - It's got some places where list of MOOCs are available
carol yeager:As with many online courses, the design of the mooc is key and the "instructor" needs to be able to cede control to the participants imho
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:@ LOri Really Important Question
Nan Zingrone:yes Carol, really important
Ilene Frank:It's hard to tell which ones are "good", since there's plenty of stuff being offered for the first time.
Ann G Pearlman:Sorry to leave early. I had something come up. I will be glad to join the next session.
John Munro:what makes a "good" mooc -- since so many different needs/expectations from participants
Ilene Frank:Ann, hope you can come next time!
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:I woud like to look at best practices for designing MOOCs
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:yay!
Ilene Frank:For anyone who's not yet tried out a MOOC, I think one question that could be asked is what's all the hype about?
carol yeager:I a always open to learning as much as possible that is fun and exchanges multicultural perspectives
jjulius@miracosta.edu:@Nancy I think MOOCs are too new and amorphous to have "best practices" specifically aimed at them
Perry Barrett:Best practices for designng and running a MOOC
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:ahh julius we could be pioneers here
Scott Simkins:It might be useful to create a Google Form for people in the TLTG "subgroup" to register their participation in this "subgroup."
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:would a G+ circle for this group be helpful?
Perry Barrett:MOOCS that are truly fulfilling their key objectives
Perry Barrett:Best practices
Scott Simkins:Google+ could work for the TLTG group as well
carol yeager:moocs are unique experiments and I am not sure there are any firm "practices"
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:@Penny-what are the key objectives?
Perry Barrett:Core values underlying MOOCS and those truly fulfilling thos values
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:I am thinking about t&l goals
Carolyn Gibbs:I am interested in MOOC delivery patterns
Beth Dailey:Let's go to specifics
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Yes, I think Google+ is a great way to connect and share ideas.
jjulius@miracosta.edu:Effective practices for MOOCs will heavily lean on effective practices for online ed in general, wich heavily lean on effective practices for education in general ...
Scott Simkins:It's useful to have a Twitter hashtag to collect tweets and perhaps have syncrhonous "twitter cafe" times.
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:@Perry - are those goals always well articulated?
Nan Zingrone:I'm already registered for Current/Future
carol yeager:CFHE12 should be a fascinating learing journey!
Perry Barrett:How purposes of MOOCS deviate from thos of "standard" online courses
jjulius@miracosta.edu:But with special attention to scale ... helping participants not feel lost in the midst of chaos
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:“Mock MOOCS?” How/if use MOOCs? Join TLTG cohort within MOOC free tlt.gs/CFHE12 #TLTGmooc1 tlt.gs/blog
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:I agree the Current/Future State of Higher Education. http://edfuture.ne looks like a great one for our needs.
Perry Barrett:Yes, Jane, would like to learn if those goals are well articulated...
Ilene Frank:Yes, it's already in session
Ilene Frank:The Coursera courses will remind you of a course. ;)
Suzi:http://edfuture.net is the correct url
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:quite a bit of criticism of coursera earlier in chat
Scott Simkins:THE CFHE12 will be much less "course-like", I think... It really will be an opportunity for both learning and connection with people all around the world.
carol yeager:Agreed Scott .. it promises to be a great "ride"
Dale Parker:@Scott I agree
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:“Mock MOOCS?” How/if use MOOCs? Join TLTG cohort within MOOC free tlt.gs/CFHE12 #TLTGmooc1 tlt.gs/blog
Scott Simkins:Jane's comment brings up a good point... Even if we choose a specific MOOC for full group participation, others can report on their experience in other MOOCs in follow-up sessions. Very MOOC-like - not constraining.
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:@Suzi - what's your last name?
Ilene Frank: http://edfuture.net - as Suzi said - that longer URL will get you to registration
Ilene Frank:There are already 2 readings available for CFHE12
jjulius@miracosta.edu:That's George Siemens for ya
Ilene Frank:Yeah, Steve - those are the readings! Might be signals of what will be covered.
Scott Simkins:Take a look at the list of topics for that course... economics is PART of the discussion. The topics are quite wide-ranging.
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:“Mock MOOCS?” How/if use MOOCs? Join TLTG cohort within MOOC free tlt.gs/CFHE12 #TLTGmooc1 tlt.gs/blog
Scott Simkins:Weekly Topics: Change pressures: What is influencing higher education? (Oct 8-14) Net pedagogies: New models of teaching and learning (Oct 15-21) Entrepreneurship and commercial activity in education (Oct 22-28) Big data and Analytics (Oct 29-Nov 4) Leadership in Education (Nov 4-11) Distributed Research: new models of inquiry (Nov 12- 18)
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:2 mins Extermission - music is only sound now
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:raw planning doc including refs, notes, etc. caveat emptor http://tlt.gs/mocmoocplanSep12
Scott Simkins:From the CFHE12 site: Each week will include readings, videos, and recommended activities. Live weekly presentations (2-3 each week) will be held with guest speakers. The content will include peer-reviewed articles that articulate the landscape of educational change. Interactive activities will be included each week to give participants an opportunity to evaluate their understanding of the weekly content. Course participants will also engage in recommended weekly activities (artifact creation and sharing) to contribute to the knowledge base of the weekly topic
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:1 min left
Scott Simkins:CFHE12 Audience: Different weekly topics will appeal to different audiences. Broadly, the course will be of interest to university administrators, faculty members, researchers, business leaders, students, government officials, and NGO’s that are active in higher education
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:How can we make the experience in this particular MOOC more beneficial for “our folks” our cohort than it would be without their connection with us?How can we ensure that we learn and then share things from this experience to help our interested colleagues make decisions about and take better advantage of MOOCs and similar options in the future for improving undergrad education and faculty/professional development?Pay attention also to Scott Simkins efforts to include some Face-to-Face activities.Explore also the “meet-ups” possibilities and other SYNCHRONOUS meetings (Google+ Hangouts? Adobe Connect?)
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:I have some notes I used to prepare today. If anyone wants them, they are at http://instructionaldesignguy.blogspot.com/
Beth Dailey:Thanks for the description Scott, this sounds interesting to me
Ilene Frank:Oh man, we have to create an artifacts for CFHE12? That terminology always makes me think I need a 3D printer.
Scott Simkins:The chat information I provided is cut-and-pasted from the CFHE site: http://edfuture.net/blog1/course-topics/
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Great.
Gerald Morine:Please remind me of what CFHE stands for.
Ilene Frank:Current/Future of Higher Ed
Gerald Morine:Thanks!
jjulius@miracosta.edu:Have to run ... thanks all - great conversation and looking forward to MOOCing together
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:By Julius
Susan Ariew:Thanks! This has been very informative.
carol yeager:Thank all for this initiative and lively session
Lorette Pellettiere Calix:Thanks everyone. Good to hear your experiences.
jane marcus:Have to go -- enjoy the weekend all
Ilene Frank:Susan, are you tracking the 2 Honors profs who are doing open courses?
James Stenerson:this was great and sorry I have to run!
Susan Ariew:me, Ilene?
Devon Mordell:Thanks very much to everyone for a great session! Carolyn, I've sent you an email & will connect re: gamification course :) Gotta run as well...
Susan Ariew:no but if you have info about it, I'd be interested.
Ilene Frank:Yeah! They are Univ of South Florida guys.
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:BD: Explicate, clarify PURPOSES of MOOCs, MOOC-like courses
Ilene Frank:Susan, I'll send you some stuff
Susan Ariew:Great! Thanks!
Susan Ariew:Got to go..thanks all
Qi Dunsworth:@Ilene Frank, can I have that too please?
Nan Zingrone:Nellie Deutsch calls MOOCs that are not connectivist, Loveless MOOCs
Ilene Frank:Qi, what's your email address?
Qi Dunsworth:quz2@psu.edu
Ilene Frank:Nan, that's great!
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:We won't worry about finding the "right" definition; we will try to identify characteristics that are important and useful in distinguishing among the variations and helpintg tpo make use of them
Eric Werth:Repeat from earlier: One thing I would like to know from those who took the course is how the MOOC felt different than a digital correspondence course. Was there a lot of student-content and student-student interaction and if so was this effective?
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Pls send copy of any resources you share to me and we'll add it to our blog
Qi Dunsworth:Thanks! @Ilene Frank
Nan Zingrone:thanks Ilene, here's Nellie: www.integrating-technology.org
Beth Dailey:I love the big party analogy
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:Are some MOOCs like auditing courses?
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Exactly, many parties.
Ilene Frank:Speaking of credentially, etc... This is an nice explanation of OERu's objectives for credit for open courses: http://www.tonybates.ca/2011/10/05/introducing-the-oeru-and-some-questions/
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Lots of metaphors, analogies... help to choose which ones you want to participate in and how you expect to participate!
bernard smith:sorry, gotta go.
Nan Zingrone:great analogy, parties
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Not good to go to a party expecting a seminar... or vice versa
Beth Dailey:so attending this MOOC as a TLT group is like going to a party together
Beth Dailey:That is sounding even more fun
Penny Kuckkahn, Nicolet College:Beth - so glad we will be at a party together again:-)
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Conference MetaphorMOOCS can have similar characteristics as educational and technology conferences depending upon how they are designed. In my experience there seems to be tracks or themes, concurrent sessions, hands on sessions, interaction, and sometimes they contain gamification. of some sort in a similar way as do conferences.Concerning multiple tracks or themes, there may be a group people who want to learn about promoting critical thinking in discussions in current day conferences there is generally a track for just such an interest. There may be another group interested in how to build a learning activity that is rooted in active learning. Yet another group may want a series on hot to manage a debate activity. Sometimes the tracks may over lap in that some of the sessions may explore managing a critical thinking learning activity that has students debating in small groups and then presenting back to the larger group.In general, I think the concurrent sessions of a conference translate into the abi
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:@Scott - I agree - but might it lead to group think? present company excepted, of course. ;-)
Dale Parker:I think our participation will answer a lot of questions and also lead us to the right questions
Beth Dailey:I agree Dale. I like this idea of thinking together
Frank Parker:Maybe we should look at MOOCs as a deschooling effort. Learning as entertainment maybe.
carol yeager:Agreed!
carol yeager:Learning can be fun and not so proscribed
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Key element of what Scott will be attempting: include some Face-to-Face meetings. In what ways can that make participation in any (exspecially this one) MOOC?
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Very true especially if it is still based on learning outcomes.
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:The activities can meet those outcomes and still be fun, engaging, and rewarding.
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:In what ways if we can't facilitate face-to-face meetings in conjunction with a MOOC, how else can we make particiaption in a MOOC more useful? synchronous online sessions? asynch?
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Also interesting to explore with Milt Cox and colleagues in what ways online activities, esp. synchronous but not liumited to facetoface, could help with Faculty Learning Communities
Nan Zingrone::-)
Beth Dailey:We could use Google Hangout for talking synchronously
Beth Dailey:I like what you are suggesting Scott
Nan Zingrone:no mic today
carol yeager:Google + Hangout works quite well
Frank Parker:I am already registered
Nan Zingrone:we should make sure we identify ourselves as TLT in case we forget names (I'm also already registered)
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Could all add TLT to the end of our usernames to be like a team running a marathon together.
Penny Kuckkahn, Nicolet College:I am now resigerested. I just need to fit it in with being the depths of some research for a paper that is due.
Nan Zingrone:like Kyle's suggestion
Frank Parker:Setup a TLT study group
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:cool
Scott Simkins:Part of participating in these MOOCS right now is figuring out what social media to use to meet "outside the course" - in a MOOC that doesn't really make sense.
carol yeager:I already registered a few weeks back
carol yeager:Why not start a Facebook group for this group?
Frank Parker:Many MOOCs allow for Study Group development
Ilene Frank:I already registered too - but I'll bet we can figure out how to find each other. That Google form idea?
Nan Zingrone:FB group is a good idea
Scott Simkins:My suggestion is that Steve send out an invitation to everyone here to answer a Google Form (survey). We could also create our own Google group (listserv) that people could sign up for.
Dale Parker:yes FB
Carolyn Gibbs:Some of us are not on FaceBook
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:Yes, good idea Kyle!
Ilene Frank:How about a Google Group? Could most people do that?
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:What about the curation aspect - that is, having a way to keep a record of discussion/resources?
Scott Simkins:There will be discussion threads in the course and other tools, I suspect, to create groups. If we had our own listserv we could send an email indicating where that "group" is located within the MOOC.
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:Ah - but I do have a degree from a library...
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:school
carol yeager:I am not able to be a full participant .. more of a lurker .. due to prior commitments
Dale Parker:my password never works dale.parker@go.cambridgecollege.edu
Scott Simkins:Lurkers are welcome in MOOCS!
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:Dale- It's too long
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:discussion etc
carol yeager:carol.yeager@esc.edu
Eric Werth:Thanks everyone. I have to leave but did sign up for the class and look forward to seeing where it goes!
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:narrating our work
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:David used to shorten yopur login and password
Frank Parker:Study Group Transcript may be possible
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Google+ would be a great way to record group participation or Twitter.
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:Kyle - I like that idea
Scott Simkins:@kyle - yes
Dale Parker:@ Sallymy password or my email
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:G+ circle?
carol yeager:G+ rocks! for recording and also desktop use
Scott Simkins:There is usually a record of the discussion within the course itself.
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:your email is too long for adobe
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Thank you. Jane
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:both gems and process/evolution
Nan Zingrone:snarky? LOL?
Scott Simkins:Assessing our experience - we could use a TLTG Google groups listserv for our "own" private discussion, outside the course
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:IF - record "side comments" be caareful about how public/private we make that
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:then we are dealing with email - right? arghhhhh
Nan Zingrone:those kinds of side bars are really organic
Qi Dunsworth:yammer
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:I can offer Bb Collaborate for synch sessions
Scott Simkins:Google groups has a web interface as well as email...
carol yeager:the Google tools are fairly reliable and easy to access
Qi Dunsworth:Google hangout limits to 5 real time right?
Frank Parker:Google tools may not be necessary, the MOOC platform may allow a mechanism
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:10 real time
Qi Dunsworth:ok
carol yeager:the limit on G+ is 10 now
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:and much more using "on air"
Scott Simkins:I plan to use Google groups, I think, for our local group, as well as a Twitter feed
Akesha Horton:you can broadcast
Akesha Horton:to as many people you want
carol yeager:at least 2 weeks ago, it was 10
Ilene Frank:Some great comments on Thrun's statistics course that are outside of the course: http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/09/10/129231/the-problems-with-online-math-classes
Akesha Horton:those not directly in the room can still chat
Scott Simkins:A question for me: What free tools are available to HOST a MOOC? There are a few around and Bb is now offering a free platform for MOOCS.
Akesha Horton:Google has a new tool for hosting moocs
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:http://edfuture.net/
Scott Simkins:I may use the new free Bb mini-lms for our local group... not sure yet.
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:“Mock MOOCS?” How/if use MOOCs? Join TLTG cohort within MOOC free tlt.gs/CFHE12 #TLTGmooc1 tlt.gs/blog
Frank Parker:Google has CourseBuilder as a tool
carol yeager:Akesha , yes, I was referring to those who can "meet" online with camera and audio
Suzi:I may not have time, so I do not want to commit
John Munro:depends on schedule elsewhere
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:short url for mooc reg http://tlt.gs/CFHE12
carol yeager:Takes lots of time
carol yeager:but one can dip in and out
carol yeager:and lurk a lot
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:I have been doing multiple workshops over the past few months that are rather like a MOOC - it IS time intensive but wow - how terrific
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Who decides how much time any individual participant spends on any MOOC (or anything else online) is controlled by ....?
carol yeager:Yes, Jane ... so terriffic
Scott Simkins:Blackboard's New Free Tool: https://www.coursesites.com
carol yeager:I am a MOOC addict, I am afraid
Nan Zingrone:I also didn't do everything in the gamification MOOC I was in, partly time, partly because I wasn't interested in making accounts in World of Warcraft and Minecraft, so it was a question of time and content
Suzi:I took a look at two other MOOCs. It was interesting, but not essential to what I was doing at the time so it was easy to forget - (Like the students in my online courses :-))
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:[Kyle... I thought when you mentioined "star watch" it would be sponsored by People Mag or US]
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:Suzi - what's your last name?
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:@Steve haha
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Hahaha
Nan Zingrone:the MOOCs I've been in, I'm in control of whether I'm an occasional or complete participant, and that's the way it should be
Suzi:Shapiro
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:thanks
Scott Simkins:MOOCS are very time-intensive if you really want to FULLY engage in the course... but you don't have to do the latter.
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:Yes, the issue of time certainly is!
carol yeager:On eof the plusses of MOOCs ids that one can do as much or as little as one wi=shes
Dale Parker:Kyle, what was that astronomy site?
Nan Zingrone:right Carol
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Virtual Star Party invited you to Fraser Cain's "Virtual Star Party - Sept. 23, 2012"Sun, September 23, 7:30 PM PDT
John Munro:can MOOC particpation be (completely) asynchronous
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:Harold Jarche talks about work=learning - but it isn't always
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:Yes John it can be
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:It's about time management big time!
Nan Zingrone:the two Moocs I was in had completely asynchronous options
Scott Simkins:Steve... We're going to have great conversations about this at Lilly-Miami...
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Yes John, often they are asynchronous.
Qi Dunsworth:good question @john Munro
Dale Parker:thnx Kyle
Frank Parker:Gates Foundation just put out an RFP for MOOCs for remediation
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:Structure is not a bad thing
John Munro:ok, I'll switch to yes (from can't decide)
carol yeager:@John ... yes, but attending the synchronous meetings is great fun and emlighti=ening in another way
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:most of them are a combination of asynchronous and synchrounous.
Scott Simkins:Yup... MOOCS, especially those focused on connectivity rather than content, are not for everyone.
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:@Frank - now that is interesting - they must be going to be xMOOCs
Nan Zingrone:right Carol, you get more out of stuff if you're there in real time, but it is great that you can do it asynchronously if you need to
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:students in remedial courses would have trouble with cMOOCs?
carol yeager:and the synchronous sessions are recording to view later for those who cannot attend
Suzi:I agree on external structure. I have learned that in Online courses. Lots of very specific deadlines with even small actions are essential!
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:it is a choice and you kind of join real time in discussions and some times you partcipate in an activity asynchronously.
Scott Simkins:Steve - You're such a curmudgeon! :-)
Nan Zingrone:right Kyle
John Munro:synchronous is ok, but if I commit, I want to honor it, so asynch is more flexible
Scott Simkins:MathEmporium model (National Center for Academic Transformation) has had good success with heavy use of online resources in dev. math courses.
Nancy Calsolaro Smulsky:I agree John
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Hahaha, actually I heard so much about the Khan Academy but then I tried it and most of the content was a collection of videos of prefessing.
carol yeager:@John ... try it ... you'll like it!
Qi Dunsworth:I live on the other side of dig. divide - limited bandwith for syn communicaition
Nan Zingrone:you still need somebody watching the store if you want everybody to succeed
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Not much interactivity on my part.
Scott Simkins:Right - it's not the technology, it's about how you design things...
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:@Scott, very true
Frank Parker:Nice distinction
carol yeager:exactly @ Scott
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:@Scott - yes!
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:It's about the pedagogy!
Scott Simkins:So, we need to differentiate between things (MOOCs) and the teaching practices... We often conflate the two.
Nan Zingrone:right Jane
carol yeager:learning conectively
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Sunrise Semester!
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:And, it's about the learners and the facilitators!!
carol yeager:it is really much the way we learned growing up
carol yeager:before we were sent to "school"
Scott Simkins:It's not about online vs. face to face vs. hybrid... Khan Academy CAN be great IF it's used for the right purposes... e.g. it MIGHT be useful for flipped classrooms.
Dale Parker:you can do examples and get hints in Khan
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:@Carol - yes!
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:SUNRISE SEMESTER!
Suzi:yes! I sat through a philosophy course at 6:00 in the morning as a freshman
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Yes Dale, there are hints and examples in some of the items, and those are the best ones.
Scott Simkins:I think it's really about letting a thosand flowers bloom...
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:Making choices ... based on understanding one's own needs and capabilities and the requirements and resources offered within a particvular option!
carol yeager:I am thinking it is more the better questions than the "right" answers
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:I did not mean to say that all Khan academy stuff is passive.
carol yeager:and that is one of the joys of the cMOOCs
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:@Ilene - yes - there is a classroom culture - will this change with online?
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:And passive even has it's place.
Beth Dailey:Good point Ilene...personal choice
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:But offer me both in every learning activity.
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:AND WE'RE TRYING TO RUN THIS COHORT TO HELP PEOPLE MAKE BETTER CHOICES ABOUT USING MOOCS!
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:I'd like to see better descriptions of these options as a part of the course descriptions.
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:Like how synchronous?
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:Like how much connection?
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:@Sally- yes - more about the process/goals - kind of learning
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Good point Steve, what are the characteristics of this MOOC over that MOOC that make it a good choice?
Scott Simkins:Kyle - Right, I know - but people make these kinds of broad comments about Khan Academy, Wikipedia, MOOCs, online learning, cooperative learning, etc. It's how these things are done and used that matters - ALWAYS - not the thing.
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:@Scott very true, very intutive point.
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:So - the pedagogy must be made transparent
Dale Parker:yes Scott
carol yeager:I think that trying each type and then deciding on a personallevel is a good way to go
Frank Parker:Thanks for a great session
Scott Simkins:Jane - yes, absolutely...
Nan Zingrone:right Carol
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:no - it's a MOOC...
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:I love the tech, but I also love designing activities that do just that, teach, give an opprtunity for doing, and much more.
carol yeager:go with the flow .. just like a MOOC!
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:I accept!
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:have a great dinner!
Scott Simkins:We just need a way to get an email contact list... from there we can just let everyone know what's going on when...
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:I can send the email contact list
Frank Parker:Yes
Ilene Frank:I can't do Tuesday
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:11:15AM guide the cohort planning
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:I am on vaca but may be able to help.
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:11:30AM ET Tues sept 25 cohort planning
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:we want you kyle
Qi Dunsworth:sounds like a mooc
Ilene Frank:I'm tied up Tuesdays 9:30 - 2:30 but keep me posted!
John Munro:better
Qi Dunsworth:but how many people are needed to be at the cohort? 22 yeses , hard to get all
Lisa Zilinski:I would love to help but I am in the air most of the day on Tuesday
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:2pm ET
John Munro:anytime tue afternoon is good for me
Ilene Frank:hehe
carol yeager:tee hee
John Munro:yes
carol yeager:I have to exit now .. thanks to all
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:I can't do tues at 2
Steve Gilbert, TLT Group:11:30AM ET
Mingsheng Dai:11:30 fine on Tuesday is fine.
Nan Zingrone:cool
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:yeah team!
Mingsheng Dai:Are you going to send us links to access the session?
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Thank you for the opportunity.
Ilene Frank:Looking forward to doing the MOOC with everyone! That should be fun!
Nan Zingrone:should be fun
Beth Dailey:Yes Mingsheng
Qi Dunsworth:can you send the URL of this room again
John Munro:thanks all byeee
Kyle Songer - Excelsior College:Take care everyone.
Carolyn Gibbs:thanks!
Mingsheng Dai:Thanks, Beth!
Jane Harris, UNC Greensboro:Thanks all, I look forward to this!
Nan Zingrone:you guys too, thanks! great seminar
Sally Gilbert, TLT Group:bye
Lisa Zilinski:Bye!
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